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Seeking videos that showcase aggressive behaviors in dog training is like looking for the worst examples of how to handle aggression.
Insisting on seeing aggressive outbursts from dogs in videos to “prove” they are “aggressive dogs” only perpetuates misconceptions and undermines the vast body of evidence-backed methods employed by professional trainers.
Why don’t you see me working with aggressive dogs? Well… you do!
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WATCH NEXT: How to Stop Dog Aggression for Everyday People! The Ultimate Guide: https://youtu.be/iUpUCbdLNhk
Seeking videos that showcase aggressive behaviors in dog training is like looking for the worst examples of how to handle aggression.
Insisting on seeing aggressive outbursts from dogs in videos to “prove” they are “aggressive dogs” only perpetuates misconceptions and undermines the vast body of evidence-backed methods employed by professional trainers.
Why don’t you see me working with aggressive dogs? Well… you do!
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution No we don’t. Dog on dog agression? Dog on human aggression? Yeah, post the link where you fixed it.
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution There is a reason you film yourself.
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Okay so we want to see the dog that’s about to be euthanized for aggression. Get the beforehand video of the dog actually wanting to harm other dogs or humans and then we want to see you work with that dog. Get that dog to live with your dogs at home, off leash, happy, and motivated.
I have yet to see any +R trainer do this… are there limitations to this style of training or am I just not seeing the video?
Mike Shikashio is a +R trainer that works exclusively with aggression cases. You haven’t seen it because he’s not really a dog training youtuber. Also the youtube algorithm seems to prefer compulsion trainer content so it pushes it a lot. Also for every 1 +R trainer theres probably 4 or 5 “balanced” trainers that use aversive methods to reach their results. That’s kind of what happens when you don’t regulate an industry.
Your comment, unfortunately, demonstrates a significant lack of research and understanding of the methods employed by modern, positive reinforcement trainers. To claim that positive reinforcement trainers are unable to work with dogs facing euthanasia is not only incorrect but also shows a complete disregard for the abundance of evidence. We approach such serious behavioral issues with a scientifically grounded understanding of animal behavior, rather than using outdated and forceful techniques. Our results stand as testament to the effectiveness of these methods, both in the short term and, crucially, in the long term.
Your failure to find examples of positive reinforcement trainers successfully working with aggressive dogs suggests that you have not even attempted preliminary research on this topic. The information is readily available for those willing to look beyond the confines of compulsion training.
Your challenge to “see a video” is a superficial demand that undermines the complex and careful work that goes into rehabilitating dogs. Real change isn’t about showcasing one dramatic transformation; it’s about consistent, compassionate, evidence-based practices that respect the individual needs of each dog.
I urge you to educate yourself on the science behind modern dog training, instead of relying on uninformed assertions. Until then, your comments remain a reflection of a narrow and outdated perspective, not of the diverse and progressive field of dog training.
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution seems like an easy video to make. Get video from the shelter of the dogs issues and then show the dog after training. Saying the science says does not mean anything unless it can be replicated in the real world and you get out of Skinners box.
I want to learn from someone who can provide evidence. Not just that they can resolve complex behavioral issues but also trainers that create happy and motivated dogs. I believe that +R trainers are working with aggressive dogs. I even believe they can resolve the dog that is aggressive related to fear. The dog that is genetically aggressive and when it is a self reinforcing activity to fight is when they run into problems. +R has limitations and people need to understand this.
@Mark Wyse I have done this more times than I can count and it’s all on my YouTube channel including long-term training with lots of dogs. Are you aware of this?
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution did you ever get that George off leash? What about the other dog from the shelter in Alaska? Are the current owners still dealing with “reactivity”? Did they have any sort of aggression when you first got the dog or did select these dogs to make yourself look good and say you could train any dogs?
The trainers providing real video based proof have serious dogs that have been in previous fights. They get them playing with other dogs, off leash, responsive to commands, and have true control where the dogs want to listen and train with the owners. I would be happy to provide you a link to these videos also! Not just say that these things are happening without showing it.
I am going to repeat what I wrote in my previous comment. I agree with you 100%! But I think people who lack the knowledge and end up having a dog who snaps at them, by accidently provoking them or accidently getting surprised by a trigger, are probably feeling ailenated. They don’t possess the knowledge you do, they don’t always know how to avoid triggers and triggers cannot always be controlled (for instance, another animal outside could be a trigger.) So when they have gotten to the point of the dog being above treshold and lashing out, what do they do? This probably makes them seek out aversive dog training videos, because the dogs are above treshold (whether the provocation is intentional or not, they have no clue) and the aversive trainers then show them how to handle the situation in that given moment (which is usually in an inhumane and bad way) But since there are no alternatives, modern trainers always avoid triggering situations, people can’t find alternatives whenever these situations do happen.
I have, unfortunately, many times seen people being all for positive reinforcement, but never getting the help or understanding how to deal with different and more violent situations, which makes them “switch sides.” It is really sad. Then, they later claim that positive reinforcement doesn’t work because they tried so many times, and they never got a solution until they tried aversives, which justifies the use of aversive training for them.
I have to add that I am all for positive reinforcement and am doing all I can to avoid aversives. I also think provoking a dog for a video is a red flag, but the people watching these videos don’t understand that these dogs most often have been intentionally provoked.
This is true, aversive training is lazy work imo. but we have to understand as dog owners our full time job is to commit to our dogs and do all the research we can to find a good trainer or do a lot of research on type of breeds, history, and research on how to communicate well with our dogs. It’s a 50/50 when it comes to dog training. 50% you’re learning about your dog and what works and what doesn’t. Other 50% is you’re also being trained to work with your dogs. Victoria Stilwell talks about how it’s important to understand that your dog isn’t the only one being trained and it’s 50% also about training owners how to communicate with their dogs.
I hate to be the one to say it, but I find it absurd that a dog owner would much rather want to control and force their dogs into commands, than learning how to create a bond with their dogs.
If the dog gets to the point that their threshold has been reached and they lash out, what you have to do at that point is put a barrier between you and the dog to prevent injury and then get the dog into their crate or a safe place and then leave them alone so they can calm down. Depending on how bad the reaction was, it can take hours to days for their stress hormones to go back to normal. When I work with an aggressive dog I often keep a leash attached to their harness at all times until I have rehabilitated them to the point that they have learned alternate behaviors to their triggers. The reason I do this is so that I have something to grab to both be able to hold the dog away from me and guide the dog into their crate.
Suffer from aggression is very precise and positive language
We had/have problems with our dog who is 99% adorable but occasionally snappy.
We learned about trigger capacity from our local behaviourist which seems to perfectly diagnose what both us and our dog experience.
Is this something you by in to Zak?
Absolutely this. I specialize in rehabilitating and training dangerous and aggressive dogs with bite (and two with kill) histories, mostly bully breeds, and if I ever genuinely feel like I’m in danger or like the dog is anywhere near snapping, then I’ve done something wrong and I need to step back to a simpler step in their socialization.
Every old scar I have from a project dog is a reminder of a time I really done f*cked up, not a point of pride.
(That doesn’t mean I don’t use a bite sleeve or leg sometimes, and I always have someone experienced nearby if I misjudge a situation. It’s always better to be safe than sorry with dogs known to be legally dangerous.)
I agree
do you think such dogs can ever be let loose near other animals? I eel sure on a desert island I could be with any dog with a bit of a bit cage between us and become good friends.. but im not gonna threaten them ever.
Evidence of solid proven training is something I don’t understand why it’s questioned?
Zak just gonna talk hyper intellectual nonsense and not prove he knows what he is talkig about. Accept a challenge Zak, oh wait, youre an adult.🤣👌
“hyper-intellectual nonsense” – an interesting way to describe evidence-based methods. I’m here for engaging dialogues, not playground challenges.
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution’evidence based? 🤣👌 show me your evidence
@Zak George’s Dog Training RevolutionYou make YouTube videos for a living. Do it!
@zakgeorge Once again, you’re an adult. 🤣👌
i read a book on how to drive a race car.
How long you gonna need to board and train an aggressive dog? I’d go broke or you would give up.
“I’m a professional dog trainer”. My channel name is dog training revolution. 🤣👌
The main reason I disagree with Zak is he goes after balanced trainers and the use of all 4 quadrants, that’s nonsense in my opinion.
That’s ok, you’re completely entitled to be wrong. The beauty of an opinion is that by definition it does not need to have any basis in fact or be supported by evidence.
@FitmanFatty My evidence comes from my eyes, ears, leashes and recalls.
@FitmanFatty Post a video on your channel of your dog doing basic obedience and I’ll post one of my dog doing advanced obedience.
@FitmanFatty Try this: sit, down, stay with duration and distance, recall from distance with distractions, place, climb, heel. Don’t hurt your dog’s feelings.
i went to the county shelter the other day, guess how many Border Collies were in the kennels? Zero
Zak do you know what pairing is? You pair all the time in your videos. Pavlov proved that is wrong.
Well said zak!! Love seeing miss inertia sleeping so soundly in the background ❤
Yeah, think you might have to make a video about how people with livestock guardian dogs don’t use aversives at all, because it’s impossible to call off an independent dog who doesn’t trust you.
Published in 2006 for International Journal for Primitve and Aboriginal Dog Society, volume number 10:
This is what Zaur Bagiev wrote about Caucasian Ovcharka.
“One professional quality of the character of the wolf fighting dog is its absolute loyalty to man. Here, the
human is the friend and assistant and the wolf is the foe. Therefore a correctly raised wolf-fighting dog is a
perfectly socialized dog. There is one iron rule: a wolf fighting dog should never live isolated. This dog must be
raised among people from puppy age, learning correct reactions to situations by the emotions of the master. It is
absolutely not allowed to nurture a dog’s aggressiveness by training it for specialized guarding service.
Mistrustfulness, necessary aggressiveness and protective qualities will develop naturally. The problem is how not
to distort dog’s psyche and not to raise a crazy monster. If this happened, the dog should be shot. This is a very
strong animal and we usually do not understand fully its real capabilities.
A wolf fighting dog, when it discovers an unfamiliar person on its territory, it does not bark in excess
though it is angry, but it warns by growling: “do not move!” If the trespasser attempts to flee, the dog tries to stop
him by the minimal necessary actions, remembering the taboo against biting a human. The whole procedure
continues until the master shows up. Even when alone on the street, a wolf-fighting dog follows its instinct and
never turns aggressive until it is forced to do so. It will not fight even a dog, if the opponent is equally strong and
tough, but will only assert its status rituals. If the other dog shows signs of lacking the desire to fight, a
psychologically healthy wolf-fighting dog would not fight but would leave the place, where they met. It could not
be another way. Imagine, what would happen, if free roaming wolf fighting dogs were to one another. This breed
would become extinct. Therefore, a healthy wolf-fighting dog would never harm a puppy; in its mind every
smallish dog is like a puppy, and a male does not show aggression towards a female that bit him or even caused
small injuries.
I will repeat that, just as with the property guarding Caucasian Mountain Dog, specific training of the wolffighting dog is meaningless. It is an independent animal and does not tolerate mechanical orders. The dog will
simply ignore them. The best guarantee of complete control of your dog is unconditional love to you. Just
personal contact with the dog produces amazing results, if you start from an early puppy age. The dog will simply
feel your wishes and immediately execute them without voice commands. The transfer of an adult dog to a new
owner requires the development of special relationships.”
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So according to Zak George, regardless of what he’s saying, he’s basically saying that he’s never worked with an aggressive dog. He’s so good of a trainer that the dogs that he trains never gets aggressive. So if the dog never gets aggressive, how do you know that it has aggression? It’s because you’ve seen the aggression. So if you’ve seen the aggression, why don’t you have any video of this aggression? It’s because you’ve decided to not train that dog that showed aggression. Capturing dog aggression on video now days is simple. Anyone can get a video of it but training that aggressive dog is not so simple. That’s why you don’t have a single video showing how to transform a aggressive dog. You have every other video showing your work including the ones that you show that you can’t even walk Veronica in the city when she’s already a year old😂, you mind as well show us the video of you not being able to work with an aggressive dog😂
Wow, you really did two shorts and didn’t say why you don’t have videos of working with aggressive dogs.
You only gave an explanation of how to deal with them. Practice what you preach and show us.