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Why I am upset. Do you think this is wrong?
Yes! I am upset you are leading a charge to take away effective tools for dog owners.
I think it is wrong to ignore the experts in dog behavior. I imagine trainers think they are the experts, but even experts have to understand their limitations. Dog trainers are experts in training dogs, but at what expense on the dog’s part? I love that you, Zak, understand this, and look to behavior experts to understand the effects different training tactics have on a dog’s emotional well-being. It is evident that you dare deeply about dogs. Thank you for all you are doing to bring light to this issue. We need more dog trainers like you on social media. There are some other good trainers out there. But, some trainers I see online just make me cringe. They very quickly get a dog to submit, then hand the dog back to the owner. I always think that dog is going to go right back to the bad behavior as soon as the trainer walks away. That dog learned nothing other than he is scared of that human. 😠
Backman’s Dog Training.. and his belief dogs are naughty children needing authority
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution That’s bad. I don’t approve of that!
I don’t watch many of his videos. They aren’t relevant to my dogs who are very kind cooperative members of the family.
That isn’t his primary belief at all. He’s very many successes, where other dog trainers have failed. Each dog trainer has their gifts. ❤
Sheila Francl
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Beckman’s method didn’t work for my dog at all. She just get’s used to the ‘pop’ and it doesn’t change her thinking.
also the only dog trainer that show he actually trains problematic dogs on regular basis
Is that training or just intimidating though?
The problem is also YouTube offering a huge stage for this people. And since you have and use this stage too perhaps you should come out in a video rather than a short. Unfortunately it’ll bring you unpleasant attention but I hope someone will clear the water in what a dog might need rather than its owner (and its need of projected confirmation bias).
I have been very loud about this topic on all of social media including YouTube for the past few months now. I agree with you.
Wow! Seems very very narrow a path to me. Only those two organizations have it right? am I missing something
Okay, you have one organization for doctors–the American Medical Association. So when the AMA says “this is the way you should do this procedure and treat this disease” you want a doctor who says “just a recommendation”. Will you say “that seems a very very narrow path. One that one organization have it right?” I think you’re “missing” that the people who make these “recommendations” are experts in the field of behavior, who have much more education in behavior than probably most of us here put together, who have years of experience (again, probably more than most of us here). I’m going to stick to their “recommendations” and I’m going to follow their guidance. They are much more expert on this than am I and I’m going to believe what they tell me and I’m NOT going to listen to someone who can’t provide any scientific studies to back up their position, who have NO professional organizations (made up of hugely well educated and experienced people) who say “this is the way you should do it, this is the professional path”. Thanks for your opinion, you’re certainly entitle to it. But I’ll stick with the science and the experts.
Actually there are two dozen international organizations that feel this way based on decades of scientific research that a significant portion or a majority of dog trainers ignore.
Yeah you sound like your pro big pharma
I am pro “not providing pain or discomfort under the guise of training.”
What does big pharma have to do with this?
@Jan Hankins my guess is they think siding with vets and people in animal science means he also sides with “big pharma” which is pretty funny if thats right. Some people think they know more about animal health than someone who went to classes for 7+ years specifically on the subject of animal health for some reason lmao
What an odd forced comparison.
Why does it matter to you how other people go about training their dogs.
It matters to me because I love animals. I want animals treated with kindness and with respect. I care simply because I have compassion for animals and i don’t want them to suffer. Maybe that’s why Zach cares, too.
And because the public deserves modern and not outdated advice. Dog trainers today too often are recommending methods that were used 100 years ago literally before we had a broader understanding of learning theory and how our techniques affect a dog’s mental well-being
Just feels a little pretentious
Because why spread outdated information to the public when it’s not best for the dogs?
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution Agree 100% And I don’t think it feels pretentious at all.
don’t let the negative comments bother you…. you are correct that we should never use negative reinforcement in dog training…. positive reinforcement is the only humane way to train your dog that you are supposed to love.
It’s not so much the comments that bother me as it is the level of incompetence in the dog training field. At least half if not more of dog trainers are implementing counterproductive techniques and advising the public to do so which keeps the cycle going.
only using positive reinforcement, in human terms would be the equivalent of having a child throw rocks at another child, and you telling him, if he doesn’t do that anymore you will give him candy. Positive reinforcement is great to use the majority of the time, and as much as possible, but not always is it enough
100% agree! My cousin is an animal behaviourist and we’ve avoided trainers and doggy daycares at her recommendation because I’m not putting my mini poodle at risk
Yes, I love this philosophy, but please don’t say that DogDaddy is bad just because it’s unconventional – because we all see our dogs gets happy immediately with his quick corrections. Thousands of us dog owners knows what he’s done for us. Also shelters. He’s saved thousands of aggressive dogs which 99% of dog trainers etc didn’t know how to handle or even said to put down…. 🙏
I maintain that he is bad. He is the most problematic dog trainer on social media. An hour on Google will tell you what you need to know unfortunately. There is no room in this industry for abusive dog training methods like the ones he advocates for.
the thing is, you work with long term methods. The dogs that the negative trainers are showing on youtube, are dogs that would be put down if not at least manageable in a very short time. I agree those methods do not change the dogs minds in the long term but sometime you just need to have a short term solution so the dog gets a chance in life. Shame though that the negative trainers get more likes and views on youtube
Unfortunately this is an overstated talking point that aversive dog trainers parrot. They really have to say this in order to justify their abusive or borderline abusive dog training techniques. If they can get you to accept that, it’s a lot easier for them to train in the shallow manner they are versed in.
I think it be cool and possibly helpful if you band together with other trainers who do positive reinforcement and make a video together.
And advising the public in big ways. Doesn’t make sense. You would think they would be embarrassed to publicly go against their own career fields guidelines
Please show us how to rehab an aggressive dog that about to be euthanized!? Show us…
Zak, I want to see your methods working on powerful, dominant, aggressive dogs. There are are a lot of politics involved with organizations’ recommendations. Seeing is believing. If you aren’t gonna do it on your channel, please recommend somewhere I can see your methods working. Actions speak louder than words.
I can see people online at least making dogs like mine manageable using aversive techniques. I’d rather use positive methods but I can’t see any examples of them working with my dog’s issues
How were three of my last five series with George the pitbull, Moira the German Shepherd and Chop the giant Alaskan mixed breed not large powerful “dominant “dogs? I would not describe them that way but aversive trainers would. What about all of the other hundreds of videos of dogs of all personality levels and issues featured over 10+ years on my channel? Why do you think I don’t work with dogs like this? Genuine question.
@Zak George’s Dog Training Revolution – well I already watched the Chop and George videos and they were easy compared to mine. They didn’t try to dominate other dogs and bite fast moving bikes and runners. I’ll watch the Moira series if you think she has my girl’s problems.
@yogiyodaa huge part of effective training is consistent management and preventing behaviors like you’re describing from happening in the first place. Both George and Chop would have loved to chase bikes and runners (you can see some of my work with Chop on that in his series actually), but I set them up for success to the best of my ability… So no, you won’t witness a dog biting or coming close to biting a person on my channel, because responsible and effective dog trainers do not let things get to that point before they intervene. However, I have featured plenty of dogs with bite histories, etc over the years in my videos and discussed the proper steps to move forward in their training. I hope this helps!
all I know is that the first 6 months I had my dog, I used positive only. and she was ALMOST perfect, but she still would not come around distractions. then she started running in front of cars that came up my drive way and wouldn’t come back. this is when I realized I didn’t have months or years to train away this behavior. it needed to stop NOW or she could die. as soon as I started using the E-collar and some more authoritative methods, she came back no matter the situation. I actually take her off leash in public now, and I barely ever touch her collar anymore.
if you wanna tell me that she’s mentally distressed and fearful of me, go ahead. but I know my dog. she the happiest she’s ever been with this much freedom and clear leadership. its amazing, and ive never enjoyed a dog as much as ive enjoyed her, because she listens to me and I can rely on her to obey me in any situation.
Zak would have solved this with management. A dog has no business running free on a driveway. Ever. Period. Had you ever considered putting up a fence, for your dogs’ sake?
I mean sure, but it would really be neat to see you take a 75-120lb human or dog to dog aggressive working line dog and rehab it from start to finish. Document everything.. let’s see your whole process in those cases!
Do a few of them.
Even Susan Garrett said to Ivan Balabanov that she cannot tell the difference between a dog who was properly introduced & conditioned to e-collar training vs a pure positive dog. This speaks volumes.
According to you there should be definite markers of abuse but there’s not. Yes there’s d-bags who have no business using one and we should all team up against those guys, but man you’re really starting to sound like a tyrant.
Guys like Ivan Balabanov, Larry Krohn, Robert and others like them are NOT HURTING OR ABUSING DOGS.
I’m sick of people wanting to control everyone else. It’s your way or the highway..
The great thing about Larry’s method for example is he builds a relationship and makes sure commands are understood before ever putting an e-collar on, he even lets the owners practice on him while he holds it, so they understand. Then he reinforces the training and obedience on like a level 3, it’s a vibration….. later after all that he slowly introduces distractions that trigger a behavioral issue and the need for a correction goes down and down and down. In many cases after the conditioning phase – no correction is ever needed because the dog has now learned, built it’s confidence all without ever receiving an aversive” correction.
All his clients are clients for life and he can show you those dogs year after year after year!
You should really stay in your trick dog lane unless you start to show people your work with human aggressive dogs, dog on dog aggressive dogs and many other severe behavioral issue dogs..
besides that balanced trainers are using .99 percent positive methods !